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PostSubject: Cop "over reacts"   Cop "over reacts" EmptyMon Jun 21, 2010 11:37 am

I hope they convict the cop from what I see in the video.



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PostSubject: Re: Cop "over reacts"   Cop "over reacts" EmptyMon Jun 21, 2010 11:52 am

yes, that Cop needs to be put in jail, no cause for that shooting. madz
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PostSubject: Re: Cop "over reacts"   Cop "over reacts" EmptyMon Jun 21, 2010 12:01 pm

from that story its hard to deside if he is justified or not.
if the officer thought he seen a gun and the guy was not obeying the officers commands imo he is justified because the location of the other officer in the video.

its a bad situation eather way.
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PostSubject: Re: Cop "over reacts"   Cop "over reacts" EmptyMon Jun 21, 2010 12:12 pm

bush wrote:
from that story its hard to deside if he is justified or not.
if the officer thought he seen a gun and the guy was not obeying the officers commands imo he is justified because the location of the other officer in the video.

its a bad situation eather way.

I see your point, but the guy had no gun, and his back was to the cop so even if he had one the cop had the drop on him. cops in georgia have killed many young men just cause they thought they had guns, one had a shoe another a cell phone. I guess they need to do a media blitz telling all us civilians if stopped even for a minor traffic infraction we need to stop and put hands in air or we will be killed. The police are and should be held to a higher standard , they are paid to protect us not shoot us down in the street cause they "thought" we had something. The guy shot pulled over soon as the cop flashed and sirened him, he was complying IMO.


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PostSubject: Re: Cop "over reacts"   Cop "over reacts" EmptyMon Jun 21, 2010 12:16 pm

It would be kind of hard to comply with raise your hands when you know if you do the bike is in gear. I know both my Harleys are pretty hard to get in neutral when running. So, to conform to his orders he would have to either shut it off, which he would have to move his right hand to where ever the switch is, or, put his right hand back on the bars and sit down. Then the officer might think he is getting ready to run. WIth his motor running he probably wasn't sure what he said and was turning around to see what he wanted. I just get tired of seeing all these cops giving stupid orders to people when they pull them over. Granted, sometimes they are justified in what they do, but most of the time they are just WAY too aggressive. Yeah I know, that is their job, they are under paid, they are under a lot of pressure. Guess what, CHANGE JOBS! I don't know of ANY police jobs where people are drafted against there will. Most of the cops I know have the little blue/black stickers on their private vehicles. Why, so when they get pulled over the cop stopping them won't call it in so they can get out of the ticket. My opinion is that anytime a cop is convicted or gets a ticket they should suffer twice what the rest of us have to pay. Hey, it is their job, they should know better not to break the law! We all have seen cops run lights, speed, run stop signs, not wear seat belts, and drift over yellow lines in police cars for no reason most of the time. Do they get tickets, NO. Should they, yes. Oh yeah, they should pay tripple if they are in a cop car because WE the tax payers own it!


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PostSubject: Re: Cop "over reacts"   Cop "over reacts" EmptyMon Jun 21, 2010 12:23 pm

Im not against cops, but it is a high risk, high stress job and the people who apply should be well trained and able to handle situations like this without deadly force unless there is no other recourse. Too many cops IMO just like this one are not cut out for it and get scared and over react.
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PostSubject: Re: Cop "over reacts"   Cop "over reacts" EmptyMon Jun 21, 2010 6:53 pm

Dam , thats some shit there......... affraid

He blowed that ole boy away..... Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: Cop "over reacts"   Cop "over reacts" EmptyMon Jun 21, 2010 7:39 pm

An unfortunate incident, but I can't put any blame on that police officer. They took off (at least one of them did) and that already escalated the situation. When the shooting victim stopped, he should have shut his bike off and raised his hands. Sorry if anyone disagrees with me, but that is the way I see it. It is dark......questionable suspects and a very stupid move on the part of the guy on the bike. If he has enough money to afford a Harley, then he obviously has seen a TV before and knows that the first thing cops want to see is your hands. I really hate the guy is paralyzed. A very sad situation.
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PostSubject: Re: Cop "over reacts"   Cop "over reacts" EmptyMon Jun 21, 2010 7:50 pm

GunRunner wrote:
bush wrote:
from that story its hard to deside if he is justified or not.
if the officer thought he seen a gun and the guy was not obeying the officers commands imo he is justified because the location of the other officer in the video.

its a bad situation eather way.

I guess they need to do a media blitz telling all us civilians if stopped even for a minor traffic infraction we need to stop and put hands in air or we will be killed. The police are and should be held to a higher standard , they are paid to protect us not shoot us down in the street cause they "thought" we had something. The guy shot pulled over soon as the cop flashed and sirened him, he was complying IMO.

Gunny, any traffic stop could mean life or death for a police officer. You never know what kind of person you are walking up to, or what their intentions are. If I were a cop I would walk up to every traffic stop ready to draw. I honestly believe in this particular instance if they had not continued at the high rate of speed and also the one continuing to run, the officer would have acted in a completely different manner.
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PostSubject: Re: Cop "over reacts"   Cop "over reacts" EmptyMon Jun 21, 2010 10:17 pm

It is AMAZING to me how many people are so quick to "arm chair quarterback" a situation when they have no comprehension of what the entire circumstances are and what may have been going on before the camera was activated. It is just like the Rodney King incident, the media played a short clip of a beating and a feeding frenzy began. King's criminal record was never brought out nor the fact that he was high on drugs at the time.

In the area I live there are several chapters of legit motorcycle gangs. Some of them like to entice altercations with police just to see what they can get away with. I, for one would have had an elevated adrenalin rush in that situation. It looks to me the guys were trying to start something and just as some of you are quick to criticize the officer, I would venture a guess that if his buddy had not lost control, they would have continued to run escalating the situation even more.

It is sad that the guy is paralyzed but he did instigate the situation, the cop reacted to it the best he could with the information he had to process at the time, which was less than 10 seconds once out of his car.

Most officers chose this profession because they have a basic desire to help others. There are some that have other agendas. It is the same with any profession, you have good ones and bad ones.
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PostSubject: Re: Cop "over reacts"   Cop "over reacts" EmptyMon Jun 21, 2010 11:37 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Cop "over reacts"   Cop "over reacts" EmptyTue Jun 22, 2010 12:03 am

Split second reaction or death? If he does jail time its an injustice. I say put him in this neighborhood.

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PostSubject: Re: Cop "over reacts"   Cop "over reacts" EmptyTue Jun 22, 2010 7:18 am

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Split second reaction or death? If he does jail time its an injustice. I say put him in this neighborhood.

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I said it before and I will say it again. I would love to buy that cop in Seattle a beer. He should have used pepper spray on both of those females, and would have been totally justified in doing it.
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PostSubject: Re: Cop "over reacts"   Cop "over reacts" EmptyTue Jun 22, 2010 8:46 am

I don't think the guys even knew it was a cop behind them when they took off. I didn't see any blue lights on until AFTER they took off, THEN, the lights came on. When the guy that got shot stopped at the stop sign he put his hand on his leg/hip to help himself turn his body around to look behind himself better. The cop didn't help by getting directly behind the guy, he made it worse. The rider couldn't see the cop and probably couldn't hear him, the siren was still blaring.

I don't agree about most officers choosing the profession because they want to help others, most, in my opinion are too lazy to get a real job and just want to ride around and bully people and make themselves feel important. If what you said were true, then why do the majority of cops break the traffic laws in the cop cars and in their own personal vehicles?
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PostSubject: Re: Cop "over reacts"   Cop "over reacts" EmptyTue Jun 22, 2010 8:53 am

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I don't agree about most officers choosing the profession because they want to help others, most, in my opinion are too lazy to get a real job and just want to ride around and bully people and make themselves feel important. If what you said were true, then why do the majority of cops break the traffic laws in the cop cars and in their own personal vehicles?

WOW. I think my brother and cousin would beg to differ.
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PostSubject: Re: Cop "over reacts"   Cop "over reacts" EmptyTue Jun 22, 2010 8:56 am

AIRBORNE wrote:
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I don't agree about most officers choosing the profession because they want to help others, most, in my opinion are too lazy to get a real job and just want to ride around and bully people and make themselves feel important. If what you said were true, then why do the majority of cops break the traffic laws in the cop cars and in their own personal vehicles?

WOW. I think my brother and cousin would beg to differ.

Like I said, just my opinion. But, I would bet money that they too have broken traffic laws in their cop cars as well as their personal cars. I guess I just have a problem with people punishing me for things that they do and get by with.
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PostSubject: Re: Cop "over reacts"   Cop "over reacts" EmptyTue Jun 22, 2010 9:02 am

Yeah, I could go along with that. Some do really abuse some things. I would say too that the "good ole boy" system is in effect for lots of stuff in the cop arena, but having relatives that are cops I see how hard they work. I would say there are good and bad in every profession. The military is no different. We have some great Soldiers, but we also have some real dirtbags.
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PostSubject: Re: Cop "over reacts"   Cop "over reacts" EmptyTue Jun 22, 2010 9:07 am

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Yeah, I could go along with that. Some do really abuse some things. I would say too that the "good ole boy" system is in effect for lots of stuff in the cop arena, but having relatives that are cops I see how hard they work. I would say there are good and bad in every profession. The military is no different. We have some great Soldiers, but we also have some real dirtbags.

I agree. When I was in the 101st there were a few guys that said if they had to go to war they would run to Canada. I wanted to shoot them REALLY BAD. When I asked them why they joined the said so the government would help pay for their education, they had no intention of fighting. madz madz madz

I guess I just don't understand some people???????????
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PostSubject: Re: Cop "over reacts"   Cop "over reacts" EmptyTue Jun 22, 2010 9:09 am

I have a friend that is a cop in Knoxville and I honestly think he would give his own mom a ticket. But he is in the minority, at least from what I have seen.
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PostSubject: Re: Cop "over reacts"   Cop "over reacts" EmptyTue Jun 22, 2010 10:16 am

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bush wrote:
from that story its hard to deside if he is justified or not.
if the officer thought he seen a gun and the guy was not obeying the officers commands imo he is justified because the location of the other officer in the video.

its a bad situation eather way.

I guess they need to do a media blitz telling all us civilians if stopped even for a minor traffic infraction we need to stop and put hands in air or we will be killed. The police are and should be held to a higher standard , they are paid to protect us not shoot us down in the street cause they "thought" we had something. The guy shot pulled over soon as the cop flashed and sirened him, he was complying IMO.

Gunny, any traffic stop could mean life or death for a police officer. You never know what kind of person you are walking up to, or what their intentions are. If I were a cop I would walk up to every traffic stop ready to draw. I honestly believe in this particular instance if they had not continued at the high rate of speed and also the one continuing to run, the officer would have acted in a completely different manner.



yes chris, you never know what a situation will hold. however you should watch the tape again. the guys were not running from the cop, they were just doing something stupid and taking off fast from the stop sign, Im sure had they known a cop was behind them they would not have done it. Then soon as the lights and siren came on the victim, yes he is the victim here! stopped in his tracks, he made no hostile moves and had the cop behind him when he was shot down like a dog. You all can preach it was justified but in my book it was not. The cop was sacred and he made the wrong choice and i bet your ass the jury will find that way and the county he works for will shell out millions in civil damages for that cops actions. He did not pull over a colors wearing outlaw or hells angel so why assume these guys are going to start a Gunfight over a traffic ticket? its a bad deal all around but hopefully this is one cop who gets his ass fired and never wears a badge again. Anybody who thinks ALL COPS are great guys, trustworthy and dedicated to doing the right thing is a fool. They are comprised of human beings and as much as we would love for all of them to be great cops there will be pieces of pure shit among the good ones doing that job just like the rest of the population. Unfortunately it usually takes the death or severe injury of a civilian to weed the bad ones out of the system.


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PostSubject: Re: Cop "over reacts"   Cop "over reacts" EmptyTue Jun 22, 2010 10:37 am

That was an unneccesary act on the part of the officer.
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PostSubject: Re: Cop "over reacts"   Cop "over reacts" EmptyTue Jun 22, 2010 11:04 am

badride, what is your profession??? I am sure that you are the epitome of perfection behind the wheel of a car and do no wrong. The only ones that seem to understand why that officer did what he did are those that are military and police. You know, the one that SERVE AND PROTECT your a$$ when your too scared to handle your own business.

The fact of the matter is, it takes a special person to serve his country and defend the fine line between chaos and civility in our own lands. The very freedoms that you enjoy are because of the men and women that have fought and died on foreign soil and in the streets of our cities. If it weren't for the peace keepers of our nation, how well would you sleep tonight?
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PostSubject: Re: Cop "over reacts"   Cop "over reacts" EmptyTue Jun 22, 2010 11:16 am

there is just no way to tell if this is justified or not with the little info that is given. any time the media can make a cop or anyone who uses a gun look bad they do. we donot know what took place before the stop. these guys could have just robbed a store at gunpoint or even killed someone and the media just so happend to leave that part out. and more than likely something has happened for the officers to be there just from the plane fact that they are 2 officers there. i know here in the co. i work backup is 10 to 15 mins away most of the time.

like i said before, if the officer thought he seen a gun and the guy was not doing what the officer was telling him i think he may be justified on the shooting but not for his safety but for the other officer that was getting ready to get out of his car the check the other biker out and was infront of the first bikers line of site.

all i am saying is dont judge what happed untill you know the whole story.
the tape makes it look bad but what if the guy did have a gun?
would this have been justified?
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PostSubject: Re: Cop "over reacts"   Cop "over reacts" EmptyTue Jun 22, 2010 12:13 pm

Heck, why not just let the cops shoot everybody then just sort out the ones that are actually guilty.
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PostSubject: Re: Cop "over reacts"   Cop "over reacts" EmptyTue Jun 22, 2010 12:27 pm

Good thing we are not on the jury that will judge the police officer. We would never be able to come to a unamious decision.
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